and that was 7.8% unemployment, which is the lowest in 44 months. so in some ways, i think i would make the trade of a not-so-great debate performance and something that really helps the american people and shows that the economy is moving in the right direction. that's the job numbers. >> back to the debate, just for one moment longer. behind closed doors, i mean, as much as you can share with me, of course, what was the campaign's reaction to the president's debate performance right afterwards? >> well, i think the campaign was very busy talking about -- writing out some fact checking on mitt romney and just the one after another series of misstatements and outright lies that he made. but i don't think there's anybody on the campaign who feels that the president did as well as he could and as well as he will in the next debate. but the other thing is that we haven't seen a lot of movement, actually in the polls and movement away from barack obama. after some of the focus groups, both men had an increase in their favorability. you know, so we'll se